Bill Cooper’s Pseudo-History of Dinosaurs

In 1995, young earth creationist, Bill Cooper wrote and published After The Flood where all throughout the book you’ll find clear examples of Cooper fabricating fictional history, myths, legends, and folklore to fit his idiot beliefs. Even adding to it to make it as if they are actual historical events that took place after the alleged Noah’s flood of 4,500 years ago while it’s not.

One best example of this is found in Dinosaurs from Anglo-Saxon and other Records chapter. It can also be seen on these pages as well.

Dragons accounts in Historical Documents and The Bible!
Dinosaurs from Anglo-Saxon and other Records
After The Flood
After the Flood chapter 10

All fabrications of dragon stories found in ancient literature, mainly from Welsh mythology. Here in the creationists’ literature such as in Cooper’s literature, Dragons are falsely called “dinosaurs” and Pterosaurs are falsely called “wing serpents” while in fact Dragons especially amphitheres (limbless winged snakes), when put in full, undistorted context, neither looked like dinosaurs and pterosaurs, nor do they have descriptions that match that of dinosaurs and pterosaurs, either. Yet, ignorant as ever, Bill went on and gives out the following examples of how he himself, along with all other young earthers, would stupidly cite centuries old, out-dated, books, legends, folklore, and mythology, told in all versions, that tells of events that never occurred and people, places, and monsters that never existed as “evidence” for their imaginary scenario of human co-existing with dinosaurs at one time.

Like all YECs, Cooper falsely believes that dinosaurs and man once co-existed despite complete absence of human and dinosaur remains together in the fossil record. Here in this chapter, Cooper displays the following of what he claims to be evidential accounts of dinosaurs living in recent history.

Cooper’s Behemoth and Leviathan Claim

Claim: There are, of course, the famous descriptions of two such monsters from the Old Testament, Behemoth and Leviathan (Job 40:15-41:34), Behemoth being a giant vegetarian that lived on the fens, and Leviathan a somewhat more terrifying armour plated amphibian whom only children and the most foolhardy would want as a pet. The Egyptians knew Behemoth by the name p’ih mw, (1) which is the same name, of course. Leviathan was similarly known as Lotan to the men of Ugarit. (2) Babylonian and Sumerian literature has preserved details of similar creatures, as has the written and unwritten folklore of peoples around the world. But perhaps the most remarkable descriptions of living dinosaurs are those that the Saxon and Celtic peoples of Europe have passed down to us.

Rebuttal: The claim above is entirely false. These Two articles will explain why.

The Truth About Behemoth

The Truth About Leviathan

Cooper’s Claim about King Morvidus

Claim 1: The early Britons, from whom the modern Welsh are descended, provide us with our earliest surviving European accounts of reptilian monsters, one of whom killed and devoured king Morvidus (Morydd) in ca 336 BC. We are told in the account translated for us by Geoffrey of Monmouth, that the monster ‘gulped down the body of Morvidus as a big fish swallows a little one.’ Geoffrey described the animal as a Belua. (Source: Bill Cooper’s After the Flood, 1995)

Claim 2: One account takes us back to the days of the early Britons, from whom the modern Welsh are descended. They provide us with our earliest surviving European accounts of reptilian monsters, one of whom killed and devoured King Morvidus in 336 B.C. We are told in the amazing account, translated for us by Geoffrey of Monmouth, that the monster “gulped down the body of Morvidus as a big fish swallows a little one.” Geoffrey himself described the animal as a Belua. The Belua was described as reptilian, and when we endeavor to compare it with any other animal of today, coupled with the fact that it gulped down Morvidus “as a big fish swallows a little one,” we find it difficult in doing so. No land animal of today, let alone reptilian, could devour a human by such standards. Therefore, Geoffrey was either a flat out liar, or he told the truth. (Source: http://www.trueauthority.com/dinosaurs/dinosaurhistory.htm)

Rebuttal: The tale wasn’t really translated by Geoffrey. He wrote the tale himself. He wrote that tale as part of his pseudo-historical account known as The Historia Regum Britanniae, a book (PDF version of the book here.) which was written in c.1136. This is one of those stories from the book the young earthers have fabricated themselves by twisting and distorting the tale around to fit their narrow-minded beliefs just like all other dragon myths and folklores. There is none mentioned in the book about the monster’s description. It simply says that the creature came up from the water and devoured many people. Upon hearing about this, king went out and tried to killed the dragon but never succeeded. The dragon ate him instead.

What the young earthers refrain from telling their followers is that this book is all nothing but about historical British kings that never existed, including the Great King Arthur, Morvidus and the monster Belua he fought and lost to.

Cooper’s Claim about Addanc

Claim: Peredur, not the ancient king of that name (306-296 BC), but a much later son of Earl Efrawg, had better luck than Morvidus, actually managing to slay his monster, an addanc (pr. athanc: var. afanc), at a place called Llyn Llion in Wales. (4) At other Welsh locations the addanc is further spoken of along with another reptilian species known as the carrog. The addanc survived until comparatively recent times at such places as Bedd-yr-Afanc near Brynberian, at Llyn-yr-Afanc above Bettws-y-Coed on the River Conwy (the killing of this monster was described in the year 1693), and Llyn Barfog. A carrog is commemorated at Carrog near Corwen, and at Dol-y-Carrog in the Vale of Conwy.

Rebuttal: The Addanc is a lake monster that exist only in Welsh Mythology and is described as a creature that resembles either a beaver, crocodile, demon, or a dwarf, not a dinosaur. More info on the creature can be found here.

The word “carrog” actually means “stream” or “brook” in Welsh Language.

Claim: But whilst we are in Wales, it is worth noting that at Llanbardan-y-Garrag (is Garrag a corruption of carrog?), the church contains a carving of a local giant reptile whose features include large paddle-like flippers, a long neck and a small head. Glaslyn, in Snowdon, is a lake where an afanc was sighted as recently as the 1930s. On this occasion two climbers on the side of a mountain looked down onto the surface of Glaslyn and they saw the creature, which they described as having a long grey body, rise from the depths of the lake to the surface, raise its head and then submerge again.

Rebuttal: Note the misspelling of “Llanbadarn-y-garreg,” As far as I know, no such carving has ever existed in the church. To see what the church really looks like inside and out, click here and here.

The Word “Garrag” actually means “grey” in Welsh Language.

And finally, in order to confirm the alleged sighting of the fabled afanc (another name for the addanc), one must find fully intact bodies, nests, eggs, and skeletons in and around the lake. None of them are found.

Cooper’s claim about flying serpents

Claim 1: Moreover, ‘dinosaurs’, in the form of flying reptiles, were a feature of Welsh life until surprisingly recent times. As late as the beginning of the present century, elderly folk at Penllin in Glamorgan used to tell of a colony of winged serpents that lived in the woods around Penllin Castle. As Marie Trevelyan tells us: ‘The woods around Penllin Castle, Glamorgan, had the reputation of being frequented by winged serpents, and these were the terror of old and young alike. An aged inhabitant of Penllyne, who died a few years ago, said that in his boyhood the winged serpents were described as very beautiful. They were coiled when in repose, and “looked as if they were covered with jewels of all sorts. Some of them had crests sparkling with all the colours of the rainbow”. When disturbed they glided swiftly, “sparkling all over,” to their hiding places. When angry, they “flew over people’s heads, with outspread wings, bright, and sometimes with eyes too, like the feathers in a peacock’s tail”. He said it was “no old story invented to frighten children”, but a real fact. His father and uncle had killed some of them, for they were as bad as foxes for poultry. The old man attributed the extinction of the winged serpents to the fact that they were “terrors in the farmyards and coverts”. This account is intriguing in many respects, not the least being the fact that it is not a typical account of dragons. The creatures concerned were not solitary and monstrous beasts, but small creatures that lived in colonies. Not at all like the larger species of winged reptile that used to nest upon an ancient burial-mound, or tumulus, at Trellech-a’r-Betws in the county of Dyfed, for example.

Claim 2: Biblebelievers.org also made this claim but has also added this part to the story:

An old woman, whose parents in her early childhood took her to visit Penmark Place, Glamorgan, said she often heard people talking about the ravages of the winged serpents in that neighborhood. She described them in the same way as the man of Penllyne. There was a “king and queen” of winged serpents, she said, in the woods round Bewper…. Her grandfather told her of an encounter with a winged serpent in the woods near Porthkerry Park, not far from Penmark. He and his brother “made up their minds to catch one, and watched a whole day for the serpent to rise. Then they shot at it, and the creature fell wounded, only to rise and attack my uncle, beating him about the head with its wings. She said a fierce fight ensued between the men and the serpent, which was at last killed. She had seen its skin and feathers, but after the grandfather’s death they were thrown away. That serpent was as notorious “as any fox” in the farmyards and coverts around Penmark. (Source: Beowulf and the Dinosaurs.)

Rebuttal: These 2 claims are more examples of distorting Welsh Mythology to fit Cooper’s Beliefs (Note how he’s misspelled “Penllyn” which is the name of the castle and “Trelech-a’r-Betws,” which is an old name for Wales). Flying Reptiles or Pterosaurs, falsely called “wing serpents” by creationists, are not dinosaurs. They neither have bodies like snakes nor do they coil like one. Although some pterosaurs did have crests on their heads, none are limbless and have skins with “jewels of all sorts” or “feathers on their bright peacock-style wings.” All pterosaurs have hairy gorilla like bodies and wings made entirely up of tough, opaque sheets of skin, each supported by the 4th elongated finger. The descriptions in the 2 stories is in fact describing amphipteres (sometimes spelled as amphitheres), serpentine dragons with crests on their heads, sparkly jewel-like scales, no limbs on their bodies (unlike pterosaurs that have only four limbs), and colorful feathered or leathery wings on their bodies. The so-called “larger species of winged reptile” is likely a wyrm who is seen guarding the tumulus in what is now Wales. In European folklore, wyrms or vurms, limbless dragons with crested and tuffs on their heads who lived in caves and tumuli (plural) would be seen mainly guarding large horde of gold jealously. This is something Cooper leaves out in his fabrications.

Cooper’s Claim about the Dragon of Bures

Claim: One could multiply such reports by the hundred. In England and Scotland, again until comparatively recent times, other reptilian monsters were sighted and spoken of in many places. The table at the end of this chapter lists eighty-one locations in the British Isles alone in which dinosaur activity has been reported (there are, in fact, nearly 200 such places in Britain), but perhaps the most relevant aspect of this as far as our present study is concerned is the fact that some of these sightings and subsequent encounters with living dinosaurs can be dated to the comparatively recent past. The giant reptile at Bures in Suffolk, for example, is known to us from a chronicle of 1405: ‘Close to the town of Bures, near Sudbury, there has lately appeared, to the great hurt of the countryside, a dragon, vast in body, with a crested head, teeth like a saw, and a tail extending to an enormous length. Having slaughtered the shepherd of a flock, it devoured many sheep.’ After an unsuccessful attempt by local archers to kill the beast, due to its impenetrable hide,’ …in order to destroy him, all the country people around were summoned. But when the dragon saw that he was again to be assailed with arrows, he fled into a marsh or mere and there hid himself among the long reeds, and was no more seen.

Rebuttal: This 1405 account is about a sighting of, not a crested dinosaur like Dilophosaurus and Crylophosaurus, but a wyrm, a legless or 4 legged fire breathing snake-like dragon with a tufted, crested head, impenetrable scales, and a long, thin, slender snake-like body. In fact, neither Dilophosaurus, nor Crylophosaurus ever had such features the wyrm dragon is said to have and none of their remains has ever been found in England as well. Dilophosaurus’ remains have only been found in North America, China, and none elsewhere. Crylophosaurus’ remains have only been found in Antarctica and none elsewhere.

This story is most likely based on a sighting of a crocodile that have escaped from the Tower of London where King Richard II kept a menagerie full of animals, including the crocodile that have escaped from its cage and disappeared into the river Thames. John de Trokelowe, a monk who wrote the account, described the dragon to be green colored with “a crested head, teeth like a saw, and tail extending to an enormous length.” This description closely matches the crocodile. The crocodile is a green reptile with impenetrable scales, a long tail, and saw-like teeth. The monk must have added the crest or tuft to the description to make it more scary and dragon-like than it ever was. Unlike the two Early Jurassic dinosaurs whose color is completely unknown, the crocodile had armor on its back, which gave the archers in the story a very hard time trying to kill the animal. No crested dinosaur ever had such impenetrable hide.

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