eSkeptics has an article where Stephen T. Asma wrote about his visit to Ken Ham’s stupid creo-compound (Creation “Museum” aka Crackhouse) and took the time to ask him questions like,
“How many sheep would a dinosaur need to eat per day while living on the Ark?” He got that idea from John Wilkins’s 1668 An Essay Towards a Real Character and a Philosophical Language, where Wilkins answered “atheistical scoffers” about animal capacity in the ark by making a case for Noah’s Ark to have a menagerie of humans and animals by designating the middle section of the ark to be a 15 foot tall supply area, containing a large amount of food supplies including 1600 sheep for carnivore consumption.
However, Ham, knowing nothing about animal diets, teeth, and consumption, uses his imagination and claims the carnivores on the ark, including non avian dinosaurs in his own words,
“We don’t know for sure, but from a biblical perspective we know that all animals were originally herbivores. (Carnivore activity only happens as a result of the Fall — animals did not experience death before Adam’s sin.)”
Ham is referring to some passages in the Bible that says that through Adam, death came to this world. But he never gets it in his head that biblical philosophy applies only to humans, not animals. Adam’s sin brought death (spiritual death) only to humans. The Bible speaks only about human spiritual death made through Adam’s sin, yet Ham wants to apply the death philosophy to include physical death and apply it to animals despite the fact that animals have no ability to reason and can’t sin like humans do. Plus, Jesus came to Earth to die on the cross to take away spiritual death. If he died to take physical death away and there’s still physical death around, then he wasn’t really a savior after all. What Ham teaches is definitely the result of taking the Bible out of context and manipulating them to exactly say what Ham himself wants it to say.
“So it is possible that carnivores ate plants and grains while they lived on the ark. Even today we know that grizzly bears eat grass and vegetation primarily, so it’s not true that an animal with sharp teeth and claws must eat meat or must be a carnivore.”
Neither is true that an animal with blunt teeth and claws must eat plants and grains and be a herbivore. Look at humans, rodents, deer, Placodus, Globidens, even cows and hippos and you’ll know what I mean.
“At the very least, the carnivores could survive on vegetation for a significant time span.”
They can IF they have the stomachs to digest them. But since they don’t, then it is impossible for carnivores to survive on vegetation without getting health problems from them. Even Little Tyke had major health problems throughout her life when she suffered a rare case of meat deficiency and refused to eat meat like everyone else of her kind.
Bears, like humans, are omnivores. And there was death occurring before Adam ate the apple – plant death. If there was no death, then there was no digestion; there were bald people and animals (hair is entirely made up of dead cells); no poopin the ground; and no food for worms and plants (Worms and plants feed on decaying matter.).
Bears possessed chewing molars to help them chew plants and a complex digestive system like humans to help digest all kinds of foods including plants. Dinosaurs like T. rex have only one set of teeth design for one purpose only — to help him crush bone as well as tear through skin and flesh. And his stomach can only digest meat, not coconuts.
The coconut eating T. rex is all pretend. Ham simply used his imagination and pretend that T.rex ate coconuts (Which are in fact embryonic stems that first appeared in India and New Zealand c.15 million years ago, long after T.rex became extinct! Seriously, if the creationists and others, who oppose embryonic stem cell research, don’t want scientists to destroy embryonic stems for research, then they should also never destroy coconuts, melons, and all other embryonic fruit stems!) and other plants in the Garden of Eden before the fall, falsely claiming that it’s all true, while in reality it’s not.
T.rex and all other carnivores was never herbivores to begin with.
Next, Asma states that the crackhouse, the so-called creation museum, is part of Ham’s satanic ministry, Answers in Genesis, run by him and his board of directors, each like Ham is described as “a godly man who walks with the Lord in [sic] wisdom and maturity” while hiding their own bankrupt morals, sins, flaws, bigotry, and faults from public eye, lest they be exposed as what they really are — self-righteous pharisees promoting a rogue Christian extremist cult that only come from the mouth of Satan. He then shares a promotion for their crackhouse that claims,
Almost all natural history museums proclaim an evolutionary, humanistic worldview. For example, they will typically place dinosaurs on an evolutionary timeline millions of years before man.
Rightfully so! On the count of the fact that there’s no human and dinosaur remains found together in all records, whether it’s the fossil record or historical records.
AiG’s museum will proclaim the authority and accuracy of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and will show that there is a Creator, and that this Creator is Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:15–20), who is our Savior.”
Actually what they will do is only promote their own version of Genesis 1-11, skip much of the Bible, including verses that clearly debunks all the young earth lies, make references to out of context verses and then preach that Eden will be restored someday (with the tree of knowledge, the tree of life, a tempting snake, and day and night hours, animals wasting carnivore teeth on plants while butter up on each other, etc.) after God destroys the earth as told in II Peter 3. This is their own version of “the authority and accuracy of The Bible from Genesis to Revelation” made up entirely out of made up crap shoehorned into the Bible and passages taken out of context and distorted to be exactly what creationists want while throwing out what they think is contradictory including irrefutable facts and the hard-core truth. This is their own version of sola scriptura
“Located in Petersburg, Kentucky, near Cincinnati, the museum has an elaborate walk-through exhibit of Noah’s ark. As you enter the giant exhibit you encounter 12 animatronic figures building the vessel. You can then meander around two floors of animal pairs, walking both inside and outside the ark. There is also a display of the design plan of the ark to lend scale, demonstrating to visitors that this massive diorama represents only 1 percent of the total ark space. The walls are covered with mural paintings that show how Noah’s family took care of the animals, including engineering speculations about food and waste management.”
Like evolutionists, like young earth extremists. Always making up speculations without one single evidence to back up what they’re speculating about. You can always bet that what is depicted in the mural is all the imagination of the Young Earth Extremists (YEE) who then turn around and make hypocritical statements about evolutionists and their views of the world.
And crucial to the logic of the entire ark display is the exhibit showing how two of every “kind” of animal was brought on board, not two of every “species.”
Noah was to take up all types of animals 2 by 2 up the ark, including species. But here YEEs would like to make you think that Noah took up only the likes of Alioramus, Scelidosaurus, Kodiak bears, mountain lions, and mule deer while leaving Tyrannosaurus, Stegosaurus, grizzly bears, African lions, and elks, to drown in the Flood. This is one of the purest examples of how their dogma greatly contradicts the Bible despite their constant claim that they “(sic) uphold the authority of the Bible from the very first verse.” This is entirely made up to deal with the mass diversities of animal life both living and extinct that have come and gone over countless eons throughout the world, including Ham’s made up fallacy about dinosaur “kinds” being fewer than 50 different “kinds.” At least Asma spoke the truth when he says that scientists has identified about 2,000 genera of dinosaurs (And still growing!), which is far from the fewer-than-50-different-kinds fallacy Ham deliberately made up from his head to explain how did Noah put all the animals in the ark while there’s in fact no way can Noah took up about 90 million+ kinds in the ark.
If young earth it’s true, then Noah would take only dalmatians and leave all other dog kinds to die in the flood. Also, if young earth is true, then Noah would have took up these baby versions of these basic dinosaurs:
1. Magyarosaurus – a titanosaurid
2. Scutellosaurus – a primitive ankylosaurus
3. Alioramus – a primitive tyrannosaur
4. Compsognathus – one of the smallest dinosaurs related to Archaeopteryx
5. Protohadros – a non crested duckbill dinosaur
6. Zuniceratops – a primitive horned dinosaur
7. Thecodontosaurus – a primitive prosauropod
8. Callovosaurus – a camptosaurid
9. Masiskasaurus – an abelisaurid
10. Proceratosaurus – an early ceratosaurid
11. Noasaurus – a dromaeosaurid
12. Homalocephale – a pachycephaolosaurus
13. Dicraeosaurus – a well known dicraeosaurid with a short neck
14. Lesothosaurus – a fabrosaurid
15. Heterodontosaurus – a heterodontosaurid
16. Huayangosaurus – a primitive stegosaur
17. Incisivosaurus – a primitive oviraptor
18. Irritator – a Spinosaurid
19. Harpyminus – an ornithomimid
20. Saurolophus – a crested duckbill dinosaur
21. Segisaurus – a primitive coelurosaur
22. Saurornithotholestes – a stynonychosaurid
23. Technosaurus – an early ornithschian dinosaur
24. Falcarius – an early therizinosaur
25. Chindesaurus – a Herrerasaur
26. Jeholosaurus – a Hypsilophodont
….all while leaving the most famous types of dinosaurs like Apatosaurus, Stegosaurus, Triceratops, and T.Rex to die in the flood.
Noah must have been very disobedient (And God let’s him get away with it!) when he took only one pair of animal species, while leaving all the rest to die while he is supposed to take 2 of all kinds of animals, including species into the ark. If young earth is true, then we would have seen only one animal variety with no modifications in any way instead of seeing great multiple varieties of ever-developing, ever-modifying animal species and kinds coming, flourishing, and going to make way for others all over the world over multiple periods of time in real life. If young earth is true, we would have seen only whitetail deer and nothing else deer-wise; We would have seen just the Kodiak bear and nothing else bear-wise; We would have seen only lion and nothing else cat-wise; and we would have seen only Dalmatians and nothing else dog-wise. But that’s not at all the case.
He also must have been very disobedient to God’s commands (And God let’s him get away with that, too!) to take up only all animals into the ark that are sexually mature adults, which is what “a male and his mate” clearly implies in the Flood passage. If young earth is true, then Noah only took up to 50 helpless sheep-size baby dinosaurs that would never survive for even several hours after the Flood has ended and the waters have gone back to the sea due to predators finding no problems in devouring them all whether in singles or in packs, never to give them a chance to experience “growth spurts” about 5 years after the flood ended.
Just like in all of his bat guano, Ham, to fit all of the animals into the ark, imagines dinosaurs to be about the size of sheep on average when they enter the ark and experience growth spurts about 5 years after they left the ark, while being blatantly ignorant of the fact that dinosaurs in most cases grew from small hatchlings to adults in a matter of months and came in all sorts of shapes and sizes from the size of a cat to the size of a 6 story building.
This is the creationists’ way of shortening the animal kingdom into one tight package in an effort to fit them all into the ark which completely impossible to do without finding flaws and mistakes in all of their ark capacity claims.
Ham then poops out another imaginary scenario depicting vegetable mats and how insects survive on them instead of in the ark which also greatly contradicts the verse that says all land living beings outside the ark died in the Flood, including plants and insects. The violent choppy waters and the ravage storms would have completely torn the mats apart and kill off all the insects before they ever got a chance to survive.
As Asma tours the crackhouse seeing all the fallacies found in them including The Grand Canyon Lie, he asks Ham “…if there was any particular museum exhibit that might prove conversionary for the skeptic,..” Ham responds,
“I think one of the big issues in this whole topic is obviously the age of the earth — the question of millions of years versus thousands of years. That issue is even more key than the business of Darwinian evolution. And I believe that there is very compelling evidence in our displays — and in the DVDs that we produce — to show that the earth is not millions of years old.”
And what they show in their flawed bat guano is all made up lies, imagined by the YEEs without any valid evidence and credence given to back it up.
“What is really on display here is what Max Weber called the “enchanted garden” — a magical place wherein God cares about human beings and codes nature with secrets and signs of his power and purpose. The scientific world view, by contrast, presents what Stephen Jay Gould once described as “the ‘cold bath’ theory that nature was not constructed as our eventual abode, didn’t know we were coming (we are, after all, interlopers of the latest geological microsecond), and doesn’t give a damn about us (speaking metaphorically).” However, Gould concludes, “I regard such a position as liberating, not depressing.”
In other words, what YEEs are promoting in Ham’s crackhouse is the following fairy tale:
“Once upon a time, in a certain garden, all was merry and bright. The animals and humans frolic together in peace, eating plants in the presence of the loving, caring fairy tale king, who made his home in the sky and created the garden for everyone to live happily in. But one fateful day, the dreaded snake trick the humans into eating the apple. Then, suddenly all is not well. The animals and humans began to fight, the garden is ruined, and the fairy tale king, angered over all this, had to banish the couple out of his fairy tale garden to fend for themselves in a dark cold world beyond their former garden home and then, covered both the warm garden and the ‘cold bath’ in massive gallons of water to kill all of the wicked animals and humans plaguing the 2 worlds except those who are safe and warm inside of a wooden box-like boat. But all is not lost, as the king made a promise to humans that one day, his garden will be restored, the snake will be killed, and all of the people and animals will be just like before and live happily ever after. The end.”
This is the fairy tale creationists wants you to believe it is real despite valid evidence piled up against it.
In Ham’s eyes, the reason why there are problems in this world is because in his own words,
“The devastating effect that evolutionary humanism has had on society, and even the church, makes it clear that everyone — including Christians — needs to return to the clear teachings of Scripture and Genesis and acknowledge Christ as our Creator and Savior. In fact, Genesis has the answer to many of the problems facing the compromising church and questioning world today.”
And the answer Genesis has to the problems facing “the compromising church and questioning world today” is nil. Genesis is not a cure-all, solve-all and is in no way an answer to all of world’s problems, past, present, and future. It will solve nothing. As a matter of fact, Genesis and the entire Bible have been know to create more problems than the alleged “evolutionary humanism” and have been used so many times as a justification for all sorts of atrocities including murder, rape, stealing, genocide, abuse, racism, and all other problems and social issues that have been going on and on before Darwin was ever born, before the Origins of Species is published, and ever since the Dawn of Man. Even if everyone return to “the clear teachings of Scripture and Genesis and acknowledge Christ as our Creator and Savior,” there will still be problems purveying on and on in this world including lawlessness, suicide, abortion, divorce, adultery, teenage pregnancy, abuse, school and college campus shootings, and bigotry. Especially when all moral decay and lawlessness are brought on by Christians themselves.
Even Christians sin. No excuse in saying, “Oh, these bad things are just being brought on by people pretending to be Christians.” For even the most sincere devoted Christians commit atrocities and would try to invoke the Word of The Lord to justify their actions and avoid prison time. Heck, there’s even instances where a Christian came into abortion clinics to gun down and blow away people working there.
After hearing that from Ham about his “final solution” to the world’s problems which will in fact solve nothing, Asma asks Mike Looy about the crackhouse’s “intentions” and gets this answer,
“The [creationist] message is that the Bible is true.”
No, the Bible is not true when it comes to everything science. YEEs only made it all up and shoehorn them into the book that speaks nothing of science, dinosaurs, fossils, etc. The Bible was written at the time science, evolution, dinosaurs, and others were completely unknown and never heard of. Therefore, you will find no such subjects in the bible.
“We’re not trying to hide that from anyone — the museum will be an evangelistic center.”
A center of the damned to be exact. This place will make atheists out of people once they learn of the crackhouse’s true motives – to spread lies and ignorance about everything science and delude people to the point of never telling dinosaur from a dragon, making them regard the truth concerning science, archeology, and history based upon mountains of evidence against what Ham claims in his crackhouse all a lie— all in the name of God.
Asma, after he mentions the fact that,..
“Many mainstream moderate Christians read the Bible figuratively rather than literally and they see God as the maker of natural laws, from the Big Bang to natural selection. They are comfortable with modern science and for them God is not a micromanager of nature, nor an intruder on the free-will affairs of the human species.”
…asks Looy if moderate Christians and theistic evolutionists would enjoy the crackhouse.
“Well, we welcome them to the museum to observe two things; one, the evidence that supports Genesis and shows them that they don’t need to compromise with the evolutionists, And two, we’ll also challenge them with the question, Why would an all-powerful, all-knowing God use something so cruel and wasteful as Darwinian evolution?”
Rather why would an all-powerful, all-knowing God use something so cruel and wasteful as a young earth with plants, animals and people living on it bearing features such as rigged sharp teeth, carnassials, stomachs for only digesting meat, poisons, spikes, etc. that are highly useless if God wanted them to be only peaceful plant-eaters, eating plants, fruits, and grains and butter up on one another?
Rather why would an all-powerful, all-knowing God use something so cruel and wasteful as a young earth where animals in it are forced to suffer punishment for the sins of mankind even though they in fact had nothing to do with it?
Rather why would an all-powerful, all-knowing God use something so cruel and wasteful as defensive and offensive features such as rigged sharp teeth, carnassials (special teeth molars used to hook onto meat as they tear it from bone.), stomachs for only digesting meat, poisons, spikes, etc. that are highly useless if God wanted all animals and people to be only peaceful plant-eaters, eating plants, fruits, and grains and butter up on one another? If it’s because he knew they will use them in the fallen world, it’s just comes to show that God, cruel and wasteful He is, has set them up for the fall all along when he goes and destroys the world through the Flood and later on through the fire.
Rather why would an all-powerful, all-knowing God use something so cruel and wasteful as a global flood and its aftermath to destroy everything he wanted to salvage to begin with?
Rather why would an all-powerful, all-knowing God use something so cruel and wasteful as a 6000 year earth God plans to destroy in the near future? If he creates a 6000 year old earth, including wasteful, destructive features that prompts him to destroy what he made with water and one day with fire and start everything all over again, then what’s the point of ever creating it in the first place?
Next, Asma mentions the crackhouse’s awareness of the problems of evil and talks about the crackhouses’ infamous section known as “The Cave of [sic] Sorrows” Boo Hoo! Such troublesome blame game it display without shame; Eve eating the forbidden fruit and all of the animal kingdom began suffering the painful sting of death and dying because of it.
All are entirely imagination while never getting it in their heads that God does not judge the innocent along with the guilty and the only guilty ones God has ever judge were Adam, Eve, and the snake, who tempt them to eat the forbidden fruit, no one else.
After spending years of being in absolute denial of Natural Selection (all organisms tend to make more offspring that can survive to procreative age), the YEEs are finally accepting the term, only to say that it is an act of divine punishment for the sins of mankind. Thus, branding God as an evil, cruel olaf who gave those defensive/offensive features to plants, animals, and people and then turns around and takes great delight in dishing out merciless, severe, punishments on all those whom God frames for something He himself did to set everyone up for the fall.
Predation is not an act of divine punishment. If God wanted all animal life to be peaceful plant-eaters, then what’s the point of giving them all the traits of a carnivore? If all these natural occurrences such as disease, predation, extinction, severe storms, and earthquakes are evil, then so is God who is cruel and wasteful to make a young earth to have everything that will set all inhabitants up for the fall.
All animals are morally innocent. They can’t think, reason, be sensible, and have a moral code like we do. Animals survive by instinct that tells them how to survive and how to get food, whether from plants or from other animals. If predation is evil, then so is God. If predation is an evil act, then how do creationists explain the verses in the Bible that condones predation and give references to God instigating it? How do they explain biblical passages that feature David praising God for providing prey for lions? If predation is evil, so is the Bible. But since predation is enforced, even condone in the Bible, there’s nothing evil about lion, bears, eagles, sharks, T.rexes, Velociraptor and all other predators hunting, killing, and eating meat from an animal they caught and killed. Especially since God gave them those features like sharp teeth and claws and a stomach for red food to help them kill and eat their prey so they can stabilized the population of plant eaters, prevent diseases and overgrazing so that plants will have a chance to thrive, and help maintain a very healthy ecosystem for all plants and animals to live in.
Next, Ham and Looy explains to Asma on how creationists and evolutionists look at the same thing but interpret it differently,
“The big issue in the museum that we deal with,” Ham said, “is helping people to see the difference between using the scientific method in the present – what’s called operational science – and one’s origin beliefs.” Looy added: “An evolutionist looks at a dinosaur bone and says it must be 65 million years old. We look at the same bone and say that the creature was probably covered by a global flood about 4,400 years ago. Same evidence, same bone, just a different interpretation.”
One doesn’t need to go visit the crackhouse to know the real difference between “using the scientific method in the present – what’s called operational science – and one’s origin beliefs.” The origin’s beliefs is all about denial and ignorance, the other, the present scientific method is all about valid evidence coming from all sorts of areas whether it came from fossil sites, laboratories, archaeological sites, or even in the comforts of our own home. No evolutionist says the bone must be 65 million years old without finding out for certain if it is that age by using proper dating methods to help him in dating the bone.
YEEs like Ham insist that all fossils must be dated to the early Bronze Age which is about 27th century BC, which is about 4,400 years ago (about 4,500 years ago in most versions of their claims). This is the time they claimed the great worldwide Flood must have occurred. If so, then how do they explain the authentic historical records dated to about 4,400 years ago, which tells nothing about the alleged event, nor contain any references to it?
About 4,400 years ago is during the age of The fifth dynasty of The Old Kingdom of Ancient Egypt, about the time between the reign of Pharoah Niuserre and the reign of Pharoah Menkauhor Kiau. However, in many other versions of their idiot literature, Ham and others claim that the Flood took place about 4,500 years ago. That’s at the time of The Fourth dynasty, during the reign of Shepseskaf, the last member of the fourth dynasty. It was also at the time the Egyptians were busying themselves building pyramids for their beloved rulers. So why is there no evidence of the Flood occurring at the time the Egyptian workers engaging in building the first wonder of the world? If young earth is true and there was a global flood, the Egyptians, especially the pyramid workers, would have been forced to dropped anything and flee for their lives in an attempt to escape the impending wall of water coming their way. But nothing like that has never came.
If young earth is true, then the pyramids would have been entirely weathered away and destroyed by the violent, churning waters of the Flood. The fossils would also have been destroyed, too if the young earth is true and there was a global flood covering the entire world. But what we see in the historical and fossil record is not at all the case. Remember, floods don’t bury. They simply wash away. The Bible says that God was only going to cover the world with water, not mud, not ash, not meteors, and definitely not lava. So everything about what happened 4,400 years ago according to the creationists is entirely pretend.
Then Asma gave out the history of museums and how they became what they are today. But you can bet that this place Ham has built will not be called a museum. For it contains nothing more than man-made animatronic humans, modern animals, Hollywood caricatures of dinosaurs and pterosaurs built to never look right anatomical-wise. All built and put on displays to give children nightmares and brainwash them into believing their fairy tale with the help of a former Walt Disney theme park designer who quit his job so he can help Ham build is imaginary empire and falsely call it a museum.
The rest of the article deals with how will Ham’s crackhouse sadly indoctrinate and proselytize hapless people and unsuspecting children into even believing in the false notion of evolution and long ages being responsible for leading people into committing all sorts of atrocities by taking them through the “[sic] Culture in Crisis” exhibit, where visitors would look through the windows and see things that will still being going on and on even if all people accept Ham’s views and ban evolution and the so-called “long ages philosophy.” The “[sic] millions of years” wrecking ball destroying a church won’t make any difference since a “thousands of years” wrecking ball will destroy a church the exact same way.
Christian boys will still be looking at porn and get high even if old earth and evolution are not being taught anymore for reasons not having to do with evolution and “millions of years .” Christian girls will still cry over abortions being forced upon by her Christian parents who are forcing her to do this against her will figuring she’s too young for her to have kids of her own after she experimented with sex on her boyfriend just after they saw sex scenes on TV or in the movies that carried themes that has nothing to do with evolution and “millions of years”. People will still commit acts of crimes and atrocities whether openly or behind close doors. Couples (especially Christian couples) will still be arguing even if evolution and “long ages” is banned. Especially when it comes to issues involving abuse, adultery, unfaithfulness, financial problems that could most likely plague the crackhouse in the near future, selfishness, unfaithfulness to their spouse, and being engrossed in watching Girls Gone Wild, and other adult rated shows and sports games on TV, instead of science shows which involves a monkey, a chimpanzee, or any other primate.
All these Crisis found in today’s culture is exactly same crisis that have plagued society long before anyone ever knew who Darwin was and what the theory of evolution is all about. Ham’s philosophy for a utopian society will not solve all the world’s problems. It will only create more and more problems and we will still find ourselves in the mist of it all even if everyone accepts Ham’s views and rejects evolution and “long ages” altogether. Especially when it’s all done in the name of either The Lord, Allah, Odin, or some other deity.